11/05/2004

Activisms?

Part I of CGCS deleted thread formerly known as Common Ground Common Sense > Issues that Affect Our Lives > Civil Rights > Fair Election Practices "Activisms?"

Buster0001
Dec 7 2004, 05:33 PM
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Where is Activisms? --------------------

ulrika
Dec 7 2004, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Dec 7 2004, 02:33 PM)
Where is Activisms?
Yeah, where is he? I miss him....I hope he is ok...

Desron
Dec 7 2004, 06:47 PM
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He has been missing ever since that thread about him and Auditors appeared at DU.

ulrika
Dec 7 2004, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(Desron @ Dec 7 2004, 03:47 PM)
He has been missing ever since that thread about him and Auditors appeared at DU.
I missed that. What was that about?

Desron
Dec 7 2004, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(ulrika @ Dec 7 2004, 07:50 PM)
I missed that. What was that about?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=114438&mesg_id=114438

ultraist
Dec 7 2004, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(Desron @ Dec 7 2004, 05:51 PM)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=114438&mesg_id=114438

I couldn't make ryhme or reason out of that thread. Many posts had been deleted. What happened? --------------------
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Smartcor
Dec 7 2004, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(ultraist @ Dec 7 2004, 06:57 PM)
I couldn't make ryhme or reason out of that thread. Many posts had been deleted. What happened?
Icouldn't get anything out of that either. I have found that a hard forum to read anyway, but with all those deleted messages it is even worse. --------------------
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mtnmagic
Dec 7 2004, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(ultraist @ Dec 7 2004, 04:57 PM)
I couldn't make ryhme or reason out of that thread. Many posts had been deleted. What happened?
...lot's of posts discussing Blackbox.org, Bev (what's her name), Ohio and Bev being banned from DU. Someone asked Activisms if he/she was Auditors on theDU site. *Poof* haven't seen Activisms since. Someone could PM or email.I don't know the poster well enough.
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Desron
Dec 7 2004, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(ultraist @ Dec 7 2004, 07:57 PM)
I couldn't make ryhme or reason out of that thread. Many posts had been deleted. What happened?
It wasn't easy to follow even when all the posts where there in that thread. I couldn't understand it all as one had to follow links to other threads and even jump over to blackboxvoting.I don't really want to say much more about Activisms because I don't know. One can read the thread at DU, follow the trails to other threads that talk about him (if they were not deleted) and draw your own conclusions. The question was raised as to what happened to Activisms and I provided a link to a thread at DU that talked about him and was begun about the same time Activisms last posted here. The two events may be linked or it may be just as simple as Activisms wanted to take a break for awhile and he's sitting in his living room watching tv.


rox63
Dec 7 2004, 07:24 PM
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Perhaps his head exploded from all the conspiracy theories wandering around up there. You could also check on DailyKos. I believe he posted there as BlogVote. --------------------
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ultraist
Dec 7 2004, 07:35 PM
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Thanks for explaining, I hope he hasn't disappeared for good. --------------------
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luaptifer
Dec 7 2004, 07:35 PM
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if you check this thread out, it records his last known sightings here, BBV, and dKos. if you follow the links i posted in one of the latter messages of that thread to the BBV forum, you'll find Bozos for Bush presents a summary of the Activisms/Auditors/BlogVote story.http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8633&st=0&p=82175&#entry82175

Basically, he disappeared after being cornered on the daily kos in promotion of misinformation he'd been developing across several forums. --------------------
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Buster0001
Dec 7 2004, 07:57 PM
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Wow, I didn't know about all that. I was gone most of the weekend.--------------------


marie
Dec 7 2004, 08:13 PM
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Go to post #195 on DU......seems the easiest to understand explanation.1=manymarie
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marie
Dec 7 2004, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 7 2004, 06:35 PM)
if you check this thread out, it records his last known sightings here, BBV, and dKos. if you follow the links i posted in one of the latter messages of that thread to the BBV forum, you'll find Bozos for Bush presents a summary of the Activisms/Auditors/BlogVote story.http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8633&st=0&p=82175&#entry82175

Basically, he disappeared after being cornered on the daily kos in promotion of misinformation he'd been developing across several forums.
I quit reading his posts a while back because several things didn't check out. I did check all your links which confirmed what I had already felt. Thanks for your efforts here and there. marie
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Desron
Dec 7 2004, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(marie @ Dec 7 2004, 09:13 PM)
Go to post #195 on DU......seems the easiest to understand explanation.1=manymarie
Yes, that is the best one. Here it is:
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Activisms, Auditors, Cybernet, yada yada yada yada yada.Sorting this out makes my head spin. But a picture is emerging, for me, looking through what Bozos has posted.The User: Activisms is Really a Group of PeopleFirst off, activisms was posting 24 hours a day, day after day, for what 15 days strait? (You can register for free at www.commongroundcommonsense.org, and click this link, and it should show the post history for Activisms, it goes on an on, impossible for one human.) Activisms MUST be a group of people using the same account, very devoted, focused. Bozos established this. No argument from me against that. But what to make of it?So What Kind of Group is “Activisms”?It is also well established that they are continually posting some, on the same issues, over and over, lots of stuff, to push their issue, their view. They are doing some kind of campaign to propagate certain views for whatever reasons. They are awfully coordinated, focused, and devoted, and the purpose is clearly to spread certain kinds of information on certain subjects. Their writing style is designed to convey a large amount of information and inspire concern and to encourage people to spend time looking into this stuff and spreading the message.To propagate information to educate people to influence them to lead them to your view, is technically propaganda. Technically, the user “Activisms” is really a group of people doing a propaganda campaign.Now, some propaganda is based in better information that others, some is just pure garbage. The question is just what are they propagating, and what are their motives?So What Kind of information/Propaganda is Activisms Spreading?Is it the kind of propaganda that is reflecting sound research and understanding that could be helpful for people to sort out what is really going on, or is it the sort of propaganda that is obsessive, fanatical, reckless with facts/interpretation, useless, or harmful?There is a big difference between what we know Cybernet did wrong in terms of fraud, etc., and what can be backed up with some evidence, and the wild speculation and goose chases from Activisms.For that reason alone, it doesn't sound like Activism's propaganda is very helpful, at this point.But is Activism's Propaganda Harmful?Looks like it, yes, harmful. DU's Bozos for Bush said that Auditors spread speculative yarns about 'Amy' (who didn't exist See here # 4 and #5), going way beyond anything that 'Amy' was saying. And the email pseudonym of Auditors is suggestive of disinformation: “fablecruscader” (#6 link above)... The last thing we need.I would generally argue, anyhow, that getting obsessed or fanatic about getting people into something that is NOT based in any evidence or proof, is just leading people into a wild-goose chase that can discredit them. It is my understanding that much of this Cybernet stuff just isn't substantiated, and what is substantiated is the ordinary news on them, FBI fraud bust followed by CEO suicide.It's not just unhelpful, it is potentially harmful, to US, if we aren't more cautious, or if we jump the gun too much and get obsessed or sidetracked on this for no good reason.Fablecruscader indeed... ironic. I wonder what Auditor's agenda is. We really have to understand our own interests. And going off half-cocked and getting sidetracked isn't in our interest, especially if we discredit ourselves. Since Auditors and Activisms are so much involved in the whole Cybernet thing, since they are the instigators for so much of the discussion about it, this really calls into question the whole thing.It would be prudent to be cautious. The warning flags have been raised.-- Carl PwccamanAt this point, I'd just leave it there. It's best to go with better evidence and some positive proof (and all this circles around without evidence or positive proof of any substance), and since there are some warning flags, why not be cautious or skeptical about Activisms/Auditor.Who is Activisms' member Auditors? Who is J S?But DU's Bozos did raise some further questions, that I don't know what to make of... but it raises YET MORE warning flags. I don't take this lightly. It is confusing, I don't know what is going on, but I don't trust Auditors/Activisms, and they are a major instigator of all this Cybernet stuff. Unfortunately, for all I know they may be major sources for much of Jeff Fishers stuff.#11 here for the nitty gritty research, expresses concerns that “John Sander”/”fablecruscader”/Auditors of Activisms, could be manipulating Jeff Fisher.Now, who is J S? Is John Sander really the John S, who's stuff is on the Jeff Fisher site?? Maybe, maybe not. But the information contributed by John S, is remarkably similar to what Activisms has been spreading, obsessively, for days, on various bulletin boards, and “John Sander” aka “fablecruscader” is Auditors, the Activisms member.Whoever these people are, whoever Auditors is, could he/they a major source for Jeff Fisher? Are they helping him or manipulating him?I'm not going to have these Activisms/Auditor/JS characters throw me on a wild-goose chase or give me any advice, no thank you. There are enough important things to do to voice dissent and oppose bad Bush policies and do some good research. I don't need to waste my time on this.It seems to me that many people, on many forums, from BBV to DU, have had good reason to explore this stuff, but that Activisms/Auditors/JS have been manipulating us with their propaganda or disinformation, whatever it is, and maybe it has been messing with Jeff Fisher too.Enough is enough!What is it With these PayPal Requests “On Behalf” of Palast?But as if that was enough, I'm irate at the idea that a money scam could be involved. If Bozos and Joseph Cannon's instincts are correct, that could be what's going on. Their advice is to the point and practical: give through Palast's actual website's link, NOT through these other paypal links.“John Sander”, “John Seymour”, whatever! (another J S who is fueling the fire on all this)Greg Palast's office says they aren't working with “John Seymour” and that any money sent to the fund should be through Greg's website, not through any other paypal links that claim to be on his behalf see here... so whatever is going on with these other 'paypal contributions', it doesn't have anything to do with Greg Palast's office, whether it is linked by “John Seymour” or someone else.More warning flags. In various places that seem connected to J S (John Seymour, John S, Jack Sander, etc.) and Activisms (Jack Sander is Auditors, an Activism member), we also find links to a paypal account that is supposed to be on behalf of Palast. As Joseph Cannon recommended, it would not be prudent to give money to any pay pal account on behalf of Palast, other than the one on Palast's site itself. Joseph Cannon wrote on his blog about it here, and what goes for “John Seymour” will have to go for “John Sander” and Activisms and Auditors, too, because there are too many warning flags.Either way, my concern is, Activisms apparently isn't reliable and it isn't clear what Activisms motives are, as a group. They have not earned my trust, and warning flags have been raised. Now a possible link to a dubious ploy for money?It smells bad, and at the very least this sort of thing creates the appearance of something VERY fishy going on.Conclusion:Seems to me a lot of people on a lot of boards are getting swamped and distracted, for no good reason, based on shaky or non-existent evidence. No critics or skeptics who oppose us or who are undecided, are going to be swayed by this. Only true believers, and people who WANT it to be true, regardless of evidence or the lack thereof.So it does not help us, even if it is onto something. Even if there is some truth there. We need to be more careful and see if there is evidence. There isn't evidence yet, not the kind that will help us make a good case. Without that evidence, how much am I willing to research when it all turns out not to have any positive proof, time after time?When someone finally comes up with some positive proof of something, who will believe it, with all the disinformation out there? Or who would notice it, since we are distracted on Cybernet?If there is more fishy on Cybernet, we have to have better evidence than this. Until then, we shouldn't waste so much of our time and energy, and it doesn't serve us to repeat misleading stuff that isn't substantiated by evidence.Whether it is agents provocateur, or fraudsters, or fanatics who are obsessed and confused, they are a group that is organized that just raise too many warning flags for THEM to be dictating what we focus on, how much time we spend on this or that issue, or repeating their propaganda and elaborating on it at length.


marie
Dec 7 2004, 08:24 PM
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Topic is locked at DU.
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mtnmagic
Dec 7 2004, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(marie @ Dec 7 2004, 06:24 PM)
Topic is locked at DU.
Thanks for the research, Marie.I'm getting more confused and concerned.
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rox63
Dec 7 2004, 08:37 PM
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He did always seem somewhat over-the-top. --------------------
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Buster0001
Dec 7 2004, 08:50 PM
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From that post 195:
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user “Activisms” is really a group of people doing a propaganda campaign.WOW. I believe that. It was like he/them was/were autistic or something.but the 'group' thing explains it. (ok, I didn't explain that very well, myself.) --------------------


Smartcor
Dec 7 2004, 10:14 PM
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In other words, we were being fed lies and exagerated information? --------------------
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Buster0001
Dec 7 2004, 10:19 PM
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Looks that way, doesn't it? Not sure if I understand why,unless it was to distract us? --------------------


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Dec 7 2004, 10:39 PM
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Well I don't understand this really - but I checked through Activisms old posts and he does not post 24 hours a day - at least not here. He goes for a day or two and then has a 8 - 9 hour break between posts, usually during the day. Meg


luaptifer
Dec 7 2004, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(mbergen @ Dec 7 2004, 10:39 PM)
Well I don't understand this really - but I checked through Activisms old posts and he does not post 24 hours a day - at least not here. He goes for a day or two and then has a 8 - 9 hour break between posts, usually during the day. Meg
i'm trying to help look into that pattern a bit but if you look at his average( 82.5 posts per day / 3.11% of total forum posts ) almost 1 in 20 of the forum's posts were his!!!! almost 3.5 posts per hour so if he restricted that to 16 hours of the day, it's 5 per hour and if he took days off, you can really get a sense of how busy he was for 'days on'!i've suggested that the admins should take a look at the IP address(es) associated with this logins here.--------------------
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Buster0001
Dec 7 2004, 10:56 PM
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He's had 2643 posts. I didn't have that many at Kerry's site in a year,and this site has only been up one month. --------------------

ultraist
Dec 7 2004, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Dec 7 2004, 09:56 PM)
He's had 2643 posts. I didn't have that many at Kerry's site in a year,and this site has only been up one month.
The group theory is sounding more feasible... --------------------
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mtnmagic
Dec 7 2004, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Dec 7 2004, 08:56 PM)
He's had 2643 posts. I didn't have that many at Kerry's site in a year,and this site has only been up one month.
Good point - I had a little over 1,000 and I was on from April until the election.I frequented the forum almost daily until I got ill about two weeks before the election.
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mbergen
Dec 7 2004, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 7 2004, 09:48 PM)
i'm trying to help look into that pattern a bit but if you look at his average( 82.5 posts per day / 3.11% of total forum posts ) almost 1 in 20 of the forum's posts were his!!!! almost 3.5 posts per hour so if he restricted that to 16 hours of the day, it's 5 per hour and if he took days off, you can really get a sense of how busy he was for 'days on'!
Well when he was posting, he was posting a message every couple of minutes for 8 - 16 hours straight. A line or two - or a link - not long posts or anything. If it is a group, why would they coordinate to say - not post for 9 hours straight - the exact amount of time someone would be working or sleeping.What I did was click on members, and view posts, and then go through each page of posts till there was a jump in time. It happened every day or two. I did skip a bunch in the middle days, but recent days, and early days, that was the pattern. I know the first days of the election, I was on vacation and was on the board much of the day - but don't post so much.Here is the link to his posts. Even if you just look at the beginning on Nov 5. You'll see a jump of 8-9 hours after a day.Activisms Posts
For Ex. From 2:51 PM to 11:00 PM on Nov 6, there is a solid 8 hr break in posts.MegThis post has been edited by mbergen: Dec 7 2004, 11:31 PM


gduval
Dec 7 2004, 11:27 PM
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My theory on WHY:1) Create enough volume of disinformation in hopes to get a few people to really buy into the hype,2) Make money once you have enough critical mass by setting up an account with a "reputable" host.If you look at the tactic he/they used .... it was always a sensationalized headline with just enough leads on the surface to almost believe. This is like the spammers tactics in playing for the small percent of folks who will take the chance on face value. Instead here, they have to create and play on the emotional component of our deeper desires to have the election exposed for fraud. Instead of shooting for the mass millions of people on a spam... here they had a finite set of folks and had to play a different game. Sad to say it, but there are predators everywhere. This was an opportunity to play on our passionate views of the election and when we were contributing to the DNC, BBV or other "worthy causes" ... predators want to tap into that. Create a new cause, and away you go. CyberNet and the hacker school stuff, getting Jeff Fisher to believe in the linkage in all this... helped build credibility. Next step was to set up the paypal account... then run. --------------------
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luaptifer
Dec 7 2004, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(gduval @ Dec 7 2004, 11:27 PM)
My theory on WHY:1) Create enough volume of disinformation in hopes to get a few people to really buy into the hype,2) Make money once you have enough critical mass by setting up an account with a "reputable" host.If you look at the tactic he/they used .... it was always a sensationalized headline with just enough leads on the surface to almost believe. This is like the spammers tactics in playing for the small percent of folks who will take the chance on face value. Instead here, they have to create and play on the emotional component of our deeper desires to have the election exposed for fraud. Instead of shooting for the mass millions of people on a spam... here they had a finite set of folks and had to play a different game. Sad to say it, but there are predators everywhere. This was an opportunity to play on our passionate views of the election and when we were contributing to the DNC, BBV or other "worthy causes" ... predators want to tap into that. Create a new cause, and away you go. CyberNet and the hacker school stuff, getting Jeff Fisher to believe in the linkage in all this... helped build credibility. Next step was to set up the paypal account... then run.
from what i could tell, that paypal account mentioned at dKos was actually Greg Palast's though i was not focussed so much on that as the motive. i freaking cried after Dan Rather's Bush-AWOL story got smashed by the freepers -- DESPITE only a couple of the memos being suspect!! -- and cried again the morning of Nov 3. i was operating on the basis of this being a setup cause the guy had a number of people throw the facts in his face at BBV including my own direct attempts and he persisted. and Bozos got booted from DU for his attempt to prevent the damn story from spreading there as people were buying the CyberNET Group crap. i dunno what motivated him but my fear was, first, by his persistence on the BBV forum, he'd undermine Bev Harris' credibility since she's been a focal point in the counterfraud effort but then as i saw how widely the thing was growing, it seemed more like the 'memogate' motive was at work.the dKos post seemed to clinch it cause the Daily Kos gets MILLIONS of hits a day, he could have spread that farce very, very widely if not refuted there.update: as importantly, though, he was tying wayne madsen and greg palast into the potential memogate. along with fisher, who'se unfortunately already been painted with a layer of tinfoil, these three have been the boldest (with bev) to push these issues.This post has been edited by luaptifer: Dec 7 2004, 11:53 PM --------------------
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mbergen
Dec 7 2004, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 7 2004, 10:44 PM)
the dKos post seemed to clinch it cause the Daily Kos gets MILLIONS of hits a day, he could have spread that farce very, very widely if not refuted there.
Well I'll be honest - whether it was one person or not, most of the posts were so complicated that I couldn't follow them. They probably lost alot of people. I haven't been paying too much attention to those two topics - the jeff fischer one and the wayne madson because they were so confusing and complicated, and seemed a bit too good to be true. Whether they are true or not - I don't know - cause as I said, I was too confused to follow the threads about them.As I was also confused trying to follow the activisms/autitor thread on DU where they were trying to figure out who he was. That completely lost me.Meg


luaptifer
Dec 8 2004, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(mbergen @ Dec 7 2004, 11:50 PM)
Well I'll be honest - whether it was one person or not, most of the posts were so complicated that I couldn't follow them. They probably lost alot of people. I haven't been paying too much attention to those two topics - the jeff fischer one and the wayne madson because they were so confusing and complicated, and seemed a bit too good to be true. Whether they are true or not - I don't know - cause as I said, I was too confused to follow the threads about them.As I was also confused trying to follow the activisms/autitor thread on DU where they were trying to figure out who he was. That completely lost me.Meg

LOL, i dug into the CyberNET thing at BBV for two reasons: 1) Bozos and a couple others had been adamant that there was a problem in the connections Auditors was repeating and refusing to explicitly prove; and 2) Auditors was so dammmmn confusing i couldn't make heads or tails of what he was trying to put together. and yet seemed to have collaborators helping him in that confusion! i frequent another politics board on a stocktrading forum where we get the full range of participants from out-and-out hate-groupers to full-blown anarchists (who tend to agree with us lefties more than the wingers). but it was there how clearly it became to me that it's their faith in the image projected by the person who's espousing the crap that gets them to just absolutely ignore the reality in their faces. and i saw Auditors repeating the same thing over and over and over and there were some BBV folks who seemed to believe him. and i saw exactly the same thing as the cheneygang's repetition of the lie becoming truth. despite several logical people disputing his bs, it still flew. and i've never even gone back to try and put the WHOLE story together, simply knowing that one weak link in the chain killed Rather scared the crap outta me.jeez, yeah, i can digress. bottomline, i didn't know if there was truth to any of the evolving fisher/madsen/palast lines. but i knew that already their being perceived as out of the mainstream made it all the more likely that the planted cybernet weak link would be a killer to any story that MIGHT develop. that was my fear, they'd really have something and get whacked if it was based on the cybernet link so carefully perpetuated by Activisms/Auditors/BlogVote.This post has been edited by luaptifer: Dec 8 2004, 12:10 AM --------------------
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Dec 8 2004, 12:17 AM
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"First off, activisms was posting 24 hours a day, day after day, for what 15 days strait? (You can register for free at www.commongroundcommonsense.org, and click this link, and it should show the post history for Activisms, it goes on an on, impossible for one human.) Activisms MUST be a group of people using the same account, very devoted, focused."I get that seem feeling for a couple others here. They are omnipresent, always the first to jump on a new thread with negative comments. --------------------
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mbergen
Dec 8 2004, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(PaineInTheArse @ Dec 7 2004, 11:17 PM)
"First off, activisms was posting 24 hours a day, day after day, for what 15 days strait? Can you tell me which days he did this? As I said I skipped the ones in the middle, but at the beginning and end of his posting career he had 8 - 9 hr breaks every couple days.Now I can say nothing about whether what everyone else is saying is true, but he did take breaks - though I know I couldn't get by on that little sleep.Meg


Smartcor
Dec 8 2004, 12:42 AM
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Mbergen, I feel like your Avatar when I read this thread. I remember telling activisms in one thread that what s/he was posting sounded like a detective novel to me. I guess some part of me felt what was going on. But then, these are times when so much of what happens is so unbelievable (just thinking that so many voted for bush) that almost anything can be believed. --------------------
"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt. If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake." Thomas Jefferson, 1798


mbergen
Dec 8 2004, 01:05 AM
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OK - here is when Activisms was on.Nov 5 8:44 PM - Nov 6 2:51 AM 8 hr breakNov 6 11:01 PM - Nov 7 11:51 AM 9 hr breakNov 7 10:13 pm - Nov 8 4:28 pm 8 hr breakNov 9 12:30 - Nov 10 5:43 am 9 hr breakNov 10 2:23 pm - nov 12 2:50 pm 3 hr breakNov 12 5:46 pm - nov 13 7:22 am 10 hr breaknov 13 5:18 pm - nov 15 7:11 am 9 hr breaknov 15 3:58 pm - nov 19 1:47 am 17 hr breaknov 19 7:43 pm - nov 19 9:11 pm 3 hr breaknov 20 12:23 am - nov 20 4:56 am 7 hr breaknov 20 12:57 pm - nov 20 8:48 pm 6 hr breaknov 21 3:20 pm - nov 23 11:02 am 3 hr breaknov 24 1:53 pm - nov 25 8:10 am 9 hr breaknov 25 5:19 pm - nov 25 9:47 pm 8 hr breaknov 26 1:55pm - nov 27 9:41 pm 8 hr breaknov 27 6:09 pm - nov 29 4:35 am 8 hr breaknov 29 1:44 pm - nov 29 11 pm 8 hr breaknov 30 7:19 pm - 7:59 pm 8 hr breakDec 1 4:29 pm - 6:38 pm 8 hr breakI ran out of paper after this and breaks got more often.so he was not posting 24 hrs a day every day.Meg

mtnmagic
Dec 8 2004, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(mbergen @ Dec 7 2004, 11:05 PM)
OK - here is when Activisms was on.Nov 5 8:44 PM - Nov 6 2:51 AM 8 hr breakNov 6 11:01 PM - Nov 7 11:51 AM 9 hr breakNov 7 10:13 pm - Nov 8 4:28 pm 8 hr breakNov 9 12:30 - Nov 10 5:43 am 9 hr breakNov 10 2:23 pm - nov 12 2:50 pm 3 hr breakNov 12 5:46 pm - nov 13 7:22 am 10 hr breaknov 13 5:18 pm - nov 15 7:11 am 9 hr breaknov 15 3:58 pm - nov 19 1:47 am 17 hr breaknov 19 7:43 pm - nov 19 9:11 pm 3 hr breaknov 20 12:23 am - nov 20 4:56 am 7 hr breaknov 20 12:57 pm - nov 20 8:48 pm 6 hr breaknov 21 3:20 pm - nov 23 11:02 am 3 hr breaknov 24 1:53 pm - nov 25 8:10 am 9 hr breaknov 25 5:19 pm - nov 25 9:47 pm 8 hr breaknov 26 1:55pm - nov 27 9:41 pm 8 hr breaknov 27 6:09 pm - nov 29 4:35 am 8 hr breaknov 29 1:44 pm - nov 29 11 pm 8 hr breaknov 30 7:19 pm - 7:59 pm 8 hr breakDec 1 4:29 pm - 6:38 pm 8 hr breakI ran out of paper after this and breaks got more often.so he was not posting 24 hrs a day every day.Meg
Meg,No defensiveness please, and wouldn't want to blow any confidences you have, butyou seem to have gone to an awful lot of trouble here (maybe it wasn't that difficult...I'm not real computer saavy). Do you feel Activisms is being maligned orsomething of that nature? I've posted, because the whole thing is so twisted anddifficult to follow. It would be nice to get down to the facts. At first I thought wehad some real solid info to work with. But as time went on, I couldn't understandwhere half of it was leading and the other half seemed a dead end.
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mbergen
Dec 8 2004, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE(mtnmagic @ Dec 8 2004, 12:12 AM)
Meg,No defensiveness please, and wouldn't want to blow any confidences you have, butyou seem to have gone to an awful lot of trouble here (maybe it wasn't that difficult...I'm not real computer saavy). Do you feel Activisms is being maligned orsomething of that nature? I've posted, because the whole thing is so twisted anddifficult to follow. It would be nice to get down to the facts. At first I thought wehad some real solid info to work with. But as time went on, I couldn't understandwhere half of it was leading and the other half seemed a dead end.
No - I was merely curious to see if it was true what people were saying that he had been on posting 24 hrs a day and if the patterns of posting fit that of what a single person had done - it does to me. Someone who spends way too much time perhaps on the message board, but one person.As to what he's said being true or not - I have no clue - but it doesn't seem to be a group of people to me. I think maybe we tend to read conspiracies into everything sometimes. I think it could just be a person who goes for these conspiracy theories and posts alot. Other than that - since I couldn't follow these posts I dont' know what is true and what is not. The DU thread was the one that seemed to be determined that Activisms was a group of people trying to sabotauge the vote fraud effort - and I prefer to give someone the benefit of the doubt - and check on the claims.In any case what I have learned from doing this, is he has a consistent posting pattern, so I believe it is just one person posting.I don't even know Activisms. Now, since I do not have the talent for staying up days on end (as activisms seems to have) and must go to work tomorrow - I'll be going to bed now.)Goodnight.MegThis post has been edited by mbergen: Dec 8 2004, 01:26 AM


mbergen
Dec 8 2004, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(mbergen @ Dec 8 2004, 12:25 AM)
No - I was merely curious to see if it was true what people were saying that he had been on posting 24 hrs a day and if the patterns of posting fit that of what a single person had done - it does to me. Someone who spends way too much time perhaps on the message board, but one person.As to what he's said being true or not - I have no clue - but it doesn't seem to be a group of people to me. I think maybe we tend to read conspiracies into everything sometimes. I think it could just be a person who goes for these conspiracy theories and posts alot. Other than that - since I couldn't follow these posts I dont' know what is true and what is not. The DU thread was the one that seemed to be determined that Activisms was a group of people trying to sabotauge the vote fraud effort - and I prefer to give someone the benefit of the doubt - and check on the claims.In any case what I have learned from doing this, is he has a consistent posting pattern, so I believe it is just one person posting.I don't even know Activisms. Now, since I do not have the talent for staying up days on end (as activisms seems to have) and must go to work tomorrow - I'll be going to bed now.)Oh, and no it wasn't that difficult. I type really really fast - and Activisms had such a consistent posting pattern that all I had to do is jump three or 4 pages until there was a long time break in between posts.Goodnight.Meg


jsamuel
Dec 8 2004, 04:15 AM
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I don't claim to know either, but the stuff getting out of hand here was one of the reasons why I moved over to the DU. Activism managed to post faster than one could ever reply to.He would make a 95% correct statement, but the extra 5% was looloo. If I pointed it out, he would correct it and appologize. So, it very well could be he is a spirited fighter for democracy that took hold of a few things a little too fast and hard.After I left here, I was amazed that he had posted 1,000 posts in a week or two. That took months over at the K/E. Not that I can say much myself. I have only been at the DU for a few weeks and I have almost 750, but I am there all the time and have definite sleep periods. Also, people know me from the K/E forum. Activism first showed up right after the election in CGCS and immediately posted election fraud info. Again, this doesn't really mean anything, I am just trying to point out what I have seen.The only thing I really can say about Activism is that he appeared to want to help people. It is possible he was trying a little too hard.This post has been edited by jsamuel: Dec 8 2004, 04:17 AM


marie
Dec 8 2004, 07:13 AM
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I always thought Activisms was several people because of the manner which he/she posts indicated that it was a group effort. The 's' on the end is sort of a hint. I don't buy into conspiracy theories but one thing I have learned is that often they have some factual information that is thrown out because folks tend to discredit conspiracy theories. I tried to check out facts with A's posts but several did not pan out. but there were a few that were at least worth taking a look at.take care and don't spend too much time on this as there are more important issues we should be focusing on.best wishes marie
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searchingforsanity
Dec 8 2004, 07:23 AM
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There seems to be a lot of truth and far-fetched ideas woven into these articles; some really amazing facts that suggest impropriety. Even if election fraud is proven, there may still be a lot of unanswered questions---that is, unless a BCCI type investigation ensues.This post has been edited by searchingforsanity: Dec 8 2004, 07:24 AM --------------------
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luaptifer
Dec 8 2004, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(searchingforsanity @ Dec 8 2004, 07:23 AM)
There seems to be a lot of truth and far-fetched ideas woven into these articles; some really amazing facts that suggest impropriety. Even if election fraud is proven, there may still be a lot of unanswered questions---that is, unless a BCCI type investigation ensues.
SFS, to be clear, i never thought that all of Activisms/Auditors/BlogVotes assertions were bs. there seemed to be alot of documented fact in his narrative. and from the start, the only reason i happened upon Activisms was because i was interested but skeptical of the Jeff Fisher story. i don't trust the this admin and its operatives to attempt the truth unless it somehow serves their agenda.so it was the refutation by a number of people at BBV, before i got involved, of the leaps of faith he made from cyberNET group to several other companies that led me to investigate that issue. and my first attempt to fact-check it -- after being utterly confused by the chain of 'logic' he continually laid out -- agreed with the analysis of others that Activisms/Auditors story regarding the cyberNET group connection to other companies didn't hold up to scrutiny. it was at that point that i became wary and from then on that made me suspicious of what he was doing.bottomline, there was much factual context as background to the story. Activisms/Auditors seemed to want to emphasize that single cyberNET group area that would seem to create a link between the FBI financial fraud case against Watson and the election fraud many of us think has been carried out this year.--------------------
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TAG
Dec 8 2004, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 8 2004, 02:22 PM)
SFS, to be clear, i never thought that all of Activisms/Auditors/BlogVotes assertions were bs. there seemed to be alot of documented fact in his narrative. and from the start, the only reason i happened upon Activisms was because i was interested but skeptical of the Jeff Fisher story. i don't trust the this admin and its operatives to attempt the truth unless it somehow serves their agenda.so it was the refutation by a number of people at BBV, before i got involved, of the leaps of faith he made from cyberNET group to several other companies that led me to investigate that issue. and my first attempt to fact-check it -- after being utterly confused by the chain of 'logic' he continually laid out -- agreed with the analysis of others that Activisms/Auditors story regarding the cyberNET group connection to other companies didn't hold up to scrutiny. it was at that point that i became wary and from then on that made me suspicious of what he was doing.bottomline, there was much factual context as background to the story. Activisms/Auditors seemed to want to emphasize that single cyberNET group area that would seem to create a link between the FBI financial fraud case against Watson and the election fraud many of us think has been carried out this year.
Everyone keeps calling activisms a "he". but I always thought activisms was a "she". I know it doesn't make any difference, maybe activisims let it out in a post what he/she is.



CeilidhSeisuns
Dec 8 2004, 04:41 PM
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if you want to know all about the Activisms saga, go on over to the forum discussion board at blackboxvoting.org . there was a thread a mile long discussing dis/misinformation posted by "Activisms" and "Auditors".... same day that A & A disappeared from the radar screen. seems like a huge distraction campaign, if you ask me. we should be keeping our eye on the prize with the voter fraud - and hit the streets with everyone else everyday until this stolen election is fully exposed and we start seeing PROSECUTIONS underway, ASAP. --------------------
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luaptifer
Dec 8 2004, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(CeilidhSeisuns @ Dec 8 2004, 04:41 PM)
if you want to know all about the Activisms saga, go on over to the forum discussion board at blackboxvoting.org . there was a thread a mile long discussing dis/misinformation posted by "Activisms" and "Auditors".... same day that A & A disappeared from the radar screen. seems like a huge distraction campaign, if you ask me. we should be keeping our eye on the prize with the voter fraud - and hit the streets with everyone else everyday until this stolen election is fully exposed and we start seeing PROSECUTIONS underway, ASAP.
good point about eye on the prize and one of the things that bothered me about the disinfo campaign. it distracted at least a few BBVers into a wild goose chase.Bozos for Bush, who's put together that disinfo thread you mentioned at BBV forum, sent me this as the short form summary of the issues:
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I've written a very concise summary of everything we know so far, to make it much easier for people to understand exactly what was going on. Activisms put out disinfo 24/7 at CGCS. Activisms was behind most, if not all, of Jeff Fisher's claims. Activisms disinfo was spread at BBV.org by Auditors. Activisms disinfo was spread at DU as well. There is NO link between CyberNET Group and election fraud. Activisms goes by the names Jack Seymour and John Sander. Acttvisms emailed from fablecrusader@gmail.com. Activisms/Auditors claimed they were Greg Palast's investigative team. Activisms contacted Madsen about adding a Paypal link. Activisms also contacted Palast about adding a Paypal link.Activisms suddenly pulled the plug on 12/5 at 3:22 AM as soon as Bozos for Bush announced at DU that Activisms was a 24/7 operation. All of these statements are indisputable facts. Questions without answers... Who was behind Activisms What was their goal? Why spread disinfo? Why did they set up Jeff Fisher? Does any of their material come into play with Madsen's story?the long form Activisms and their disinformation campaign - what do we know? is readable there.btw, it's Bozos for Bush who has been the primary effort to ensure A/A/BV's disinfo was not swallowed hook, line, and sinker. i only came into it after seeing his and a couple other debunks.--------------------
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Buster0001
Dec 8 2004, 07:05 PM
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And as soon as Activisms quit posting, Brossignal moved to theGeneral Discussion thread. Hmm --------------------



ultraist
Dec 8 2004, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Dec 8 2004, 06:05 PM)
And as soon as Activisms quit posting, Brossignal moved to theGeneral Discussion thread. Hmm
What do you think this means? --------------------
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rox63
Dec 8 2004, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(Buster0001 @ Dec 8 2004, 07:05 PM)
And as soon as Activisms quit posting, Brossignal moved to theGeneral Discussion thread. Hmm
Maybe they are part of the same team of BS artists. Brossignol annoys me to no end, even though he's on my ignore list. Now that's an achievement. --------------------
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searchingforsanity
Dec 8 2004, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 8 2004, 08:22 PM)
SFS, to be clear, i never thought that all of Activisms/Auditors/BlogVotes assertions were bs. there seemed to be alot of documented fact in his narrative. and from the start, the only reason i happened upon Activisms was because i was interested but skeptical of the Jeff Fisher story. i don't trust the this admin and its operatives to attempt the truth unless it somehow serves their agenda.so it was the refutation by a number of people at BBV, before i got involved, of the leaps of faith he made from cyberNET group to several other companies that led me to investigate that issue. and my first attempt to fact-check it -- after being utterly confused by the chain of 'logic' he continually laid out -- agreed with the analysis of others that Activisms/Auditors story regarding the cyberNET group connection to other companies didn't hold up to scrutiny. it was at that point that i became wary and from then on that made me suspicious of what he was doing.bottomline, there was much factual context as background to the story. Activisms/Auditors seemed to want to emphasize that single cyberNET group area that would seem to create a link between the FBI financial fraud case against Watson and the election fraud many of us think has been carried out this year.
I know. I've read many of your post on the subject. I had many of the same concerns. I try to pay attention to what I think is true. I may be wrong, but when there are links, like the Feeney/Yang/e-voting connection, I tend to pay more attention. Lately, I have been checking some links (as best I can) to make sure they are the real thing---feeling a little paranoid, but not much. --------------------
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luaptifer
Dec 8 2004, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(mbergen @ Dec 8 2004, 01:05 AM)
OK - here is when Activisms was on.Nov 5 8:44 PM - Nov 6 2:51 AM 8 hr breakNov 6 11:01 PM - Nov 7 11:51 AM 9 hr breakNov 7 10:13 pm - Nov 8 4:28 pm 8 hr breakNov 9 12:30 - Nov 10 5:43 am 9 hr breakNov 10 2:23 pm - nov 12 2:50 pm 3 hr breakNov 12 5:46 pm - nov 13 7:22 am 10 hr breaknov 13 5:18 pm - nov 15 7:11 am 9 hr breaknov 15 3:58 pm - nov 19 1:47 am 17 hr breaknov 19 7:43 pm - nov 19 9:11 pm 3 hr breaknov 20 12:23 am - nov 20 4:56 am 7 hr breaknov 20 12:57 pm - nov 20 8:48 pm 6 hr breaknov 21 3:20 pm - nov 23 11:02 am 3 hr breaknov 24 1:53 pm - nov 25 8:10 am 9 hr breaknov 25 5:19 pm - nov 25 9:47 pm 8 hr breaknov 26 1:55pm - nov 27 9:41 pm 8 hr breaknov 27 6:09 pm - nov 29 4:35 am 8 hr breaknov 29 1:44 pm - nov 29 11 pm 8 hr breaknov 30 7:19 pm - 7:59 pm 8 hr breakDec 1 4:29 pm - 6:38 pm 8 hr breakI ran out of paper after this and breaks got more often.so he was not posting 24 hrs a day every day.Meg
nice bit of research you've done, thanks. re the 24hrs/day idea vs. 8 hr breaks, it could be consistent with a single person doing the posting, true. but it would also be consistent with several people in the same time zone doing the posting as well. personally, i have not firmly concluded that it was a group of people that posted through the Activisms login, Bozos is pretty convinced of that idea i think. we could get a better idea of the validity of that idea if we knew the IP address(es) associated with each post.but i think it IS revealing to consider this data in light of the rate of posting i presented earlier:http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?act=Members&max_results=10&sort_key=posts&sort_order=desc
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Top Ten PostersSnuffysmith Moderator 4-November 04 3,266 Activisms Members 5-November 04 2,643 gmanders777 Members 5-November 04 1,411 PaineInTheArse Members 8-November 04 1,251 CrowNotAngelGRL Members 5-November 04 1,205 brossignol Members 7-November 04 1,202 dante Members 10-November 04 1,191 Cyndi Members 4-November 04 1,162 BG, still a Kerry supporter Members 5-November 04 1,151 Cloudy Members 5-November 04 996 remember that Snuffy is the board's newshound keeping us up to date on headlines. --------------------
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Buster0001
Dec 8 2004, 08:49 PM
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I posted a thread once where I said I thought they were in cahootsto distract us. The mod removed it and I felt bad about it afterwards.Other people have made similar posts. I guess we aren't crazy after all. --------------------



JILLinaz
Dec 8 2004, 09:00 PM
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I too have been wondering where he has been. Yes, he has been a little over the top, but he did seem to dig up more information than anyone. Alot of it was informative, and some of his posts I took with a grain of salt. I figured he left because he got tired of Brossingol always going after him (or her, or they)..I miss seeing him on here, and always thought that activisms was the perfect name for him/her/them!--------------------
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brossignol
Dec 8 2004, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(JILLinaz @ Dec 8 2004, 08:00 PM)
I too have been wondering where he has been. Yes, he has been a little over the top, but he did seem to dig up more information than anyone. Alot of it was informative, and some of his posts I took with a grain of salt. I figured he left because he got tired of Brossingol always going after him (or her, or they)..I miss seeing him on here, and always thought that activisms was the perfect name for him/her/them!
Hey, I stopped going after Activisms a long time ago. It got to be too much work. And I wasn't really "going after" him. I was just pointing out when he posted disinformation which seemed to be several times per day.But, if I had anything to do with he/she/them leaving, then I, for one, am happy. And, for the record, I got tired of the tinfoil stuff and attacks in this forum, so I went elsewhere on the site to discuss things other than the election.I do pop in every now and again to lurk in this forum and watch plenty of people twist though. --Back to lurking--



manonfyre
Dec 9 2004, 03:43 AM
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I been away from this forum for some time, but come back to find this thread of immediate interest. Before my long break, the discombobulation and profusion of posts by "Activisms" led me to figure out the "ignore" feature here on this forum. I just couldn't make heads or tails of the illogic or mania of this author. Two theories: 1) this was someone truly "manic" and perhaps off their medication; and 2) the posts were generated by a computer (or "artificial intelligence") program.Both plausibly explain the illogic and the tireless hyperactivity.As for theory 1: Activisms was, simply, a maniac. End of story. My sympathies.As for theory 2 (Okay, pass me the tin foil hat!): My guess would be that a computer-generated "disinformation" program, aimed at generating forum confusion -- even if today's very latest, "state of the art" interation -- would produce some of the gibberish seen in A's posts. Consider "state of the art" computer translators. They can do individual words fairly well. But throw in a complex thought in one langauge, and "You're wearing orange juice and having your boxer shorts for breakfast" comes out in the other.Just two more guesses to add the the "group effort" theory. --------------------
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XicanoPwr
Dec 9 2004, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE(mtnmagic @ Dec 8 2004, 12:12 AM)
Meg,No defensiveness please, and wouldn't want to blow any confidences you have, butyou seem to have gone to an awful lot of trouble here (maybe it wasn't that difficult...I'm not real computer saavy). Do you feel Activisms is being maligned orsomething of that nature? I've posted, because the whole thing is so twisted anddifficult to follow. It would be nice to get down to the facts. At first I thought wehad some real solid info to work with. But as time went on, I couldn't understandwhere half of it was leading and the other half seemed a dead end.
I noticed you read my last post regarding what right did anyone have to go after someone with such zeal and luaptifer's reply.http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8633&st=0I too was looking for the remaining response the next day. However, there has been no response. I guess what really bothers me is when someone allows another person to practice deception. Considering Bozos intentions were to "smoke out" a lier, he not only lied to Auditors but he lied to anybody reading his posts. It is ironic, when Dems can critize Bush and Company for deceiving the American public to get us to believe in their lies with the harsh ideology of "you are with me or against me." I guess the reason this really bothers is because these are the same type of dirty tricks the Republican Party used to deceive minorities from voting on Nov 2. I am currently the state coordinator for Texas for the up comming rally on Sunday. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=180&topic_id=7292&mesg_id=7292During this week, I have heard many stories about how the Republicans used deception tactics to also get to the "truth" that the Democratic Party were registering illegal immigrants to vote. I can not believe how anybody can allow other people to practice desception just to get to the "truth." We might as well throw away the values and morals we hold true and embrace the neo-cons definition of morality.Another question how does "Auditors looks like he is not native-born" provide proof he is lying. This nothing more but a RACIST remark made by Bozos. Is Bozos a racist? Just because someone may not have a strong grasp of the English language does not make the person a fraud. As a Hispanic born in this country, I recent this statement. If Auditors was cutting and pasting as Bozos claims, couldn't one assume he was trying to answer the questions. Let's say Auditors was from another country, then I dare anybody to go to a foreign and try to master their language. I was an ESL teacher, I can tell you English is not the simplest language to master. Another thing to consider, say if Auditors came here from another country, why are we condeming a person who wants to help us get rid of the corruption we obviously have here, but I guess I am wrong. Only true Americans can be involve in these types of issues.Finally, why is it when I ask the same questions over at the BBV site, my questions either disappear or get ignored?
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Zombie Rock
Dec 9 2004, 10:57 AM
Post #57
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[quote=mbergen,Dec 7 2004, 11:05 PM]OK - here is when Activisms was on.Activisms has deleted posts, but his pot count gives him away still.LOOKActivisms Posted on: Nov 6 2004, 10:04 AM Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 2,643Joined: 5-November 04Member No.: 597 However, it only shows 98 pages of posts - before it showed more than 100.96 of those pages show 25 posts each - 96x25=2400The other 2 pages have less than 25. 2400 + something less than 50 = less than 2450.They have deleted posts to make it look like they were not 24/7 - but the post count clearly shows that there are at least 190 posts now missing.John


luaptifer
Dec 9 2004, 11:11 AM
Post #58
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 146Joined: 5-November 04From: MAMember No.: 85
QUOTE(XicanoPwr @ Dec 9 2004, 07:43 AM)
I noticed you read my last post regarding what right did anyone have to go after someone with such zeal and luaptifer's reply.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8633&st=0

I too was looking for the remaining response the next day. However, there has been no response. I guess what really bothers me is when someone allows another person to practice deception. Considering Bozos intentions were to "smoke out" a lier, he not only lied to Auditors but he lied to anybody reading his posts. It is ironic, when Dems can critize Bush and Company for deceiving the American public to get us to believe in their lies with the harsh ideology of "you are with me or against me." I guess the reason this really bothers is because these are the same type of dirty tricks the Republican Party used to deceive minorities from voting on Nov 2. I am currently the state coordinator for Texas for the up comming rally on Sunday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=180&topic_id=7292&mesg_id=7292

During this week, I have heard many stories about how the Republicans used deception tactics to also get to the "truth" that the Democratic Party were registering illegal immigrants to vote. I can not believe how anybody can allow other people to practice desception just to get to the "truth." We might as well throw away the values and morals we hold true and embrace the neo-cons definition of morality.Another question how does "Auditors looks like he is not native-born" provide proof he is lying. This nothing more but a RACIST remark made by Bozos. Is Bozos a racist? Just because someone may not have a strong grasp of the English language does not make the person a fraud. As a Hispanic born in this country, I recent this statement. If Auditors was cutting and pasting as Bozos claims, couldn't one assume he was trying to answer the questions. Let's say Auditors was from another country, then I dare anybody to go to a foreign and try to master their language. I was an ESL teacher, I can tell you English is not the simplest language to master. Another thing to consider, say if Auditors came here from another country, why are we condeming a person who wants to help us get rid of the corruption we obviously have here, but I guess I am wrong. Only true Americans can be involve in these types of issues.Finally, why is it when I ask the same questions over at the BBV site, my questions either disappear or get ignored?
XicanoPwr, i will yet reply beyond that i already presented, in part the other night. but do recall, i am not bozos so can't answer for him. although i will tell you the accusation of 'allowing another to use deception' is one you may have to answer to, yourself. why didn't you and the other folks working with Auditors/Activisms call him on the deception made so obvious by several people on BBV? that will partly answer the question as to why bozos used the approach he did, i'm sure.my extended reply will have to come later tonite. --------------------
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Zombie Rock
Dec 9 2004, 03:30 PM
Post #59
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QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 9 2004, 09:11 AM)
XicanoPwr, i will yet reply beyond that i already presented, in part the other night. but do recall, i am not bozos so can't answer for him. although i will tell you the accusation of 'allowing another to use deception' is one you may have to answer to, yourself. why didn't you and the other folks working with Auditors/Activisms call him on the deception made so obvious by several people on BBV? that will partly answer the question as to why bozos used the approach he did, i'm sure.my extended reply will have to come later tonite.
Well, ChicanoPwr shows up.Look loser, your games are up. You were in bed with Auditors/Activisms - now you can live with the results.Don't bother wasting time trying to cloud the issue anymore - you guys put out disinfo, you did it on purpose, you screwed up Jeff Fisher on purpose - and I WILL find out who you are and why.JohnThis post has been edited by Zombie Rock: Dec 9 2004, 03:30 PM



mtnmagic
Dec 9 2004, 04:52 PM
Post #60
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 228Joined: 15-November 04From: South Lake Tahoe, CA - High in the Mountains....Member No.: 3,306
QUOTE(XicanoPwr @ Dec 9 2004, 05:43 AM)
I noticed you read my last post regarding what right did anyone have to go after someone with such zeal and luaptifer's reply.
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8633&st=0
I too was looking for the remaining response the next day. However, there has been no response. I guess what really bothers me is when someone allows another person to practice deception. Considering Bozos intentions were to "smoke out" a lier, he not only lied to Auditors but he lied to anybody reading his posts. It is ironic, when Dems can critize Bush and Company for deceiving the American public to get us to believe in their lies with the harsh ideology of "you are with me or against me." I guess the reason this really bothers is because these are the same type of dirty tricks the Republican Party used to deceive minorities from voting on Nov 2. I am currently the state coordinator for Texas for the up comming rally on Sunday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=180&topic_id=7292&mesg_id=7292

During this week, I have heard many stories about how the Republicans used deception tactics to also get to the "truth" that the Democratic Party were registering illegal immigrants to vote. I can not believe how anybody can allow other people to practice desception just to get to the "truth." We might as well throw away the values and morals we hold true and embrace the neo-cons definition of morality.Another question how does "Auditors looks like he is not native-born" provide proof he is lying. This nothing more but a RACIST remark made by Bozos. Is Bozos a racist? Just because someone may not have a strong grasp of the English language does not make the person a fraud. As a Hispanic born in this country, I recent this statement. If Auditors was cutting and pasting as Bozos claims, couldn't one assume he was trying to answer the questions. Let's say Auditors was from another country, then I dare anybody to go to a foreign and try to master their language. I was an ESL teacher, I can tell you English is not the simplest language to master. Another thing to consider, say if Auditors came here from another country, why are we condeming a person who wants to help us get rid of the corruption we obviously have here, but I guess I am wrong. Only true Americans can be involve in these types of issues.Finally, why is it when I ask the same questions over at the BBV site, my questions either disappear or get ignored?
What is the revelence of using my quote for this post? For the record Meg did respond to me...what do the posts mean following this one? Call me dazed and confused in Lake Tahoe (of course Pat Robertson is calling me a weird extremist hippie in another thread...but let's not complicate things further....
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MrJim
Dec 9 2004, 05:03 PM
Post #61
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QUOTE
And as soon as Activisms quit posting, Brossignal moved to theGeneral Discussion thread. Hmm No -- they were both on at the same time, often insulting each other. Definitely two different people.--------------------
Exit Polls: 6 errors in 2200 polls over 13 years. Then 10 errors in one election. You do the math...
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Activisms
Dec 9 2004, 06:48 PM
Post #62
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Clearing this up right now: I am not auditor, I don't have any connection to them at all besides I helped with one of their research angles!!!I am not brossingnol, I don't know who that guy is, all I have is information on where he works at I have no connection to that at all!!!!That's all there is to it.
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brossignol
Dec 9 2004, 07:11 PM
Post #63
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 1,238Joined: 7-November 04Member No.: 1,617
QUOTE(Activisms @ Dec 9 2004, 05:48 PM)
Clearing this up right now: I am not auditor, I don't have any connection to them at all besides I helped with one of their research angles!!!I am not brossingnol, I don't know who that guy is, all I have is information on where he works at I have no connection to that at all!!!!That's all there is to it.

Actually, you don't have that info either. You still think my first name is Bruno...



Schools Out
Dec 9 2004, 07:41 PM
Post #64
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First off, I don't really know about brossingol but I have heard a great deal about his company and it is one of the worst most shady companies I happen to have ever seen. Right off the bat I can tell you for a fact, Auditor is not the same as Activism, brossingnol, or any of these characters and has nothing to do with them. Activism helped the real group, which is our group dig up some research one time out of twenty. That is the extent at which any of this is connected. Also, Auditor hacked his GMAIL account so he could flush out Shadow Zombie, who is really for a fact the user Bozos for Bush, and they are nothing but liars with alot to hide.Now, I'll make this short and sweet. If you want undeniable evidence of the investigation we are doing and what is currently in progress about it, along with a congressional testimony you can email me. It is that simple and I leave the choice to you. I already sent it to Activism upon request, and upon request all the information can be handed over.My email address: SystemsInLine@hotmail.com Do you want it or do you not want it? And to be clear, we have been working with Madsen on this case the entire time, Jack Seymour is not real, everyone at the cannon blog website are lying and do not know the truth, and there is a congressman who signed off on this at the top. I have all the facts, I have a flood full of them. That is all there is to say, and now I am finished here.



Activisms
Dec 9 2004, 08:09 PM
Post #65
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Umm thanks I guess? Someone ban that lupta creep he is spreading misinformation about me!!!! I am not the same as any of those people and further that guy is wrong about every part of this investigation!!!! Damn damn wrong, I read something that would bury this guy and make him turn his self in for crime.
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luaptifer
Dec 9 2004, 08:30 PM
Post #66
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 146Joined: 5-November 04From: MAMember No.: 85
QUOTE(Activisms @ Dec 9 2004, 08:09 PM)
Umm thanks I guess? Someone ban that lupta creep he is spreading misinformation about me!!!! I am not the same as any of those people and further that guy is wrong about every part of this investigation!!!! Damn damn wrong, I read something that would bury this guy and make him turn his self in for crime.

PROVE IT!!!!!! ROFLMAO!! you only need two words to make Activisms/Auditors/BlogVote disappear

QUOTE
ActivismsAdvanced MemberMember Group: MembersJoined: 5-November 04 Profile Options Add to contact list Find member's posts Find member's topics Ignore User Active Stats User's local time Dec 9 2004, 07:27 PM Total Cumulative Posts 2,649 ( 78 posts per day / 3.00% of total forum posts ) Most active in Civil Rights Archive( 1063 posts / 41% of this member's active posts ) Last Active 9th December 2004 - 08:09 PM Status (Offline)
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/ind...hp?showuser=597

hasta luigi!! --------------------
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brossignol
Dec 9 2004, 08:37 PM
Post #67
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 1,238Joined: 7-November 04Member No.: 1,617
QUOTE(luaptifer @ Dec 9 2004, 07:30 PM)
PROVE IT!!!!!! ROFLMAO!! you only need two words to make Activisms/Auditors/BlogVote disappear

hasta luigi!!
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That and he posted something for the first time in a long while, then took the time to create the 'Schools Out' account and make that post, then logged back on as Activisms about 5 minutes later....Sorry, Activisms, you are busted on that one!!!

luaptifer
Dec 9 2004, 08:37 PM
Post #68
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 146Joined: 5-November 04From: MAMember No.: 85
QUOTE(Activisms @ Dec 9 2004, 08:09 PM)
Umm thanks I guess? Someone ban that lupta creep he is spreading misinformation about me!!!! I am not the same as any of those people and further that guy is wrong about every part of this investigation!!!! Damn damn wrong, I read something that would bury this guy and make him turn his self in for crime.

and by the way, should you return and EVER prove these claims, i'll happily retract my own. BUT YOU NEVER HAVE anytime you/Auditors/BlogVote have been confronted on the issue. later again! --------------------
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luaptifer
Dec 9 2004, 08:39 PM
Post #69
Advanced MemberGroup: MembersPosts: 146Joined: 5-November 04From: MAMember No.: 85
QUOTE(brossignol @ Dec 9 2004, 08:37 PM)
That and he posted something for the first time in a long while, then took the time to create the 'Schools Out' account and make that post, then logged back on as Activisms about 5 minutes later....Sorry, Activisms, you are busted on that one!!!
ROFLMAO! thanks, great observation!!!!!

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